My last post was deleted, I'm guessing, because I wasn't very clear on what I said so I'm gonna try this again.
I saw this interview:
http://www.ghostrecon.net/html/interview-hackcam.htm
You can download the video demo here:
http://www.the-space.net/index.php?name=PN...iewtopic&t=4512
It was about a (to me at least) new nifty tool in the on going anti-cheater effort. I'm by no means advocating a migration to this (it only works for the HL mod CS anyway) instead of PB but I do belive it would be a very useful tool to supplement PB if it was ever ported to other games.
I was wondering if anyone knows any thing about it or if the have seen it being used and if so what they think about it. Personally I feel if it works as well as it seems to it would do a great deal to cut down on the lamers.
I hope I don't get anyones nose out of joint with this post.
OPB
Full Version: Anti-cheat Software I Saw
Before anyone does get "their nose out of joint" I will state that this IS anti cheat stuff, and not a cheat.
And I must say that this has a realm of possibilities, imagine a program that can watch in real time, recognise cheat behaviour and symptoms, and based upon a stringent scoring system can tell you the actual likliehood of a player cheating, this is the stuff my wet dreams are made off
And I must say that this has a realm of possibilities, imagine a program that can watch in real time, recognise cheat behaviour and symptoms, and based upon a stringent scoring system can tell you the actual likliehood of a player cheating, this is the stuff my wet dreams are made off
Hehe this was removed the first time around 
The absent of a links could have been the deciding factor
I had a good reply written out too , i wish i saved it
It looks good but i would guess it requires some hard-core coding or else a smart way of looking at things so to speak
The absent of a links could have been the deciding factor
I had a good reply written out too , i wish i saved it
It looks good but i would guess it requires some hard-core coding or else a smart way of looking at things so to speak
Some more links.
http://www.az-prod.com/ (homepage)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HackCam
I Found this interesting
Also check out http://www.the-space.net/
The servers on the right are running hackcam i do believe, When i added this one "cs-s2.the-space.net" to my favourites on steam. It say that was a "secure server" . This was for Css and vac2 isn't out yet*
(*It is logging bans or whatever, but let's face it . It isn't out yet...)
http://www.az-prod.com/ (homepage)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HackCam
I Found this interesting
QUOTE(wikipedia.org)
Azonacun Productions, the creators of HackCam seem to have signed a non-disclosure agreement, presumably with Valve, potentially about the integration of HC in VAC2 and regular distribution through the steam network.
Also check out http://www.the-space.net/
The servers on the right are running hackcam i do believe, When i added this one "cs-s2.the-space.net" to my favourites on steam. It say that was a "secure server" . This was for Css and vac2 isn't out yet*
(*It is logging bans or whatever, but let's face it . It isn't out yet...)
The rabbit hole deepens. I was really interested in why those servers on the-space.net were showing up as secure servers. So i started a thread on the steam forums.
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/show...threadid=287118
I was really susprised on why this thread was closed , so i pm-ed the mod that closed it
QUOTE(Veire)
Yo,
Regarding this thread.
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/show...threadid=287118
1) I never seen anything posted above it on the forums before, atleast nothing to the scale of the "when is vac2 coming out?" threads.
2) I thought i explained why i didn't put it in the vac forum.
You are probably right though.
3) Really? I never heard of that before. It's server side though isn't it, so how would vac2 ban that...
Also like i said on the post quoting from wikipedia it said
Surely it can't be banned if valve themselves are interested.
So could the topic be reopened and moved to the vac forum?
i'm not taking a dig at you or anything. I'm just confused to why it was locked...
After seaching the forums, searching the term "hackcam" i only got 18 hits!!!
Only one other topic had hackcam in the name...
And that topic was closed after 3 replies...
I am well used of forums and searching and so on. I have never had a topic closed like this...
I think it was closed unfairly. That is just my opinion.
I would like to know a bit more on why it was closed?
Regarding this thread.
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/show...threadid=287118
QUOTE
G'day Mate,
1) Search.
2) Post in the correct forum (this belongs in the VAC forum)
3) Hackam uses cheats therefore will be detected as a cheat by VAC2.
1) Search.
2) Post in the correct forum (this belongs in the VAC forum)
3) Hackam uses cheats therefore will be detected as a cheat by VAC2.
1) I never seen anything posted above it on the forums before, atleast nothing to the scale of the "when is vac2 coming out?" threads.
2) I thought i explained why i didn't put it in the vac forum.
You are probably right though.
3) Really? I never heard of that before. It's server side though isn't it, so how would vac2 ban that...
Also like i said on the post quoting from wikipedia it said
QUOTE
Azonacun Productions, the creators of HackCam seem to have signed a non-disclosure agreement, presumably with Valve, potentially about the integration of HC in VAC2 and regular distribution through the steam network.
Surely it can't be banned if valve themselves are interested.
So could the topic be reopened and moved to the vac forum?
i'm not taking a dig at you or anything. I'm just confused to why it was locked...
After seaching the forums, searching the term "hackcam" i only got 18 hits!!!
Only one other topic had hackcam in the name...
And that topic was closed after 3 replies...
I am well used of forums and searching and so on. I have never had a topic closed like this...
I think it was closed unfairly. That is just my opinion.
I would like to know a bit more on why it was closed?
This is the reply i got back.
QUOTE(tonjohn wrote on 05-07-2005 01:02 AM)
The "higher ups" have said to close and/or delete any hackcam threads. Sorry
The higher uppers being valve i presume, like i said the rabbit holes deepens.
I hope Gabe Newell doesn't get to the admins here
I've been reading the forums of hackcam and get the impression that valve (aka some old micro$uck$ employees) where a bit upset that hackcam detected cheats better than their new vac2 prog. Also from what I've read azhole is working on a client side version so that could be what valve is refereing to for banning. Hmmm doesn't valve use their own type of game browser and if so maybe that is how valve will ban them?
opb
Oh and thanks for the other links Veire. I'll check them out.
My understanding from your original post on this after doing some reading and searching.
Is,
That right now cheat Cam is client side and is final code. (Something to do with CAL matches)
That right now the Server Side Client is beta and created to deal with VAC2.
Also I belive that the http://www.the-space.net/ are friends/co-coders of the cheat Cam and are used as there test bed. Something the author mentioned in the interview I thought.
This guy is throwing a lot of money at this project of his and I can bet even if Valve/Steam shut him out that we'll see cheat Cam some where else and it may prove to be the ultimate anti-cheat out there.
Ok they must have sensored H*A*C*K*ER because a cheat uses it in its name.
Is,
That right now cheat Cam is client side and is final code. (Something to do with CAL matches)
That right now the Server Side Client is beta and created to deal with VAC2.
Also I belive that the http://www.the-space.net/ are friends/co-coders of the cheat Cam and are used as there test bed. Something the author mentioned in the interview I thought.
This guy is throwing a lot of money at this project of his and I can bet even if Valve/Steam shut him out that we'll see cheat Cam some where else and it may prove to be the ultimate anti-cheat out there.
Ok they must have sensored H*A*C*K*ER because a cheat uses it in its name.
From what I read.. Hackcam isn't going to be limited to just CS:S so VAC can gth
From what I seen of Hackcam, Looks like it will be the "bomb", And finally a Anticheat that can pick up all the private cheats.
Plus there is no updating onces it's been implemented into the game. Cheaters can't hide the way they play. So it will catch ALOT of the BGZ.
But time will tell, And hopefully, They will be porting the hackcam over too all the games I play
From what I seen of Hackcam, Looks like it will be the "bomb", And finally a Anticheat that can pick up all the private cheats.
Plus there is no updating onces it's been implemented into the game. Cheaters can't hide the way they play. So it will catch ALOT of the BGZ.
But time will tell, And hopefully, They will be porting the hackcam over too all the games I play
QUOTE(bacchus @ 8 May 2005, 08:30 AM)
But time will tell, And hopefully, They will be porting the hackcam over too all the games I play
AMEN!
I hope he ports it over to Q3 and the mods. You can't log on to a UrT server without stepping in thier (cheaters) droppings.
That Looks Amazing.
Maybe Now I Can Play CSS With Out Getting Pee'd Because Of All The Suspects
Maybe Now I Can Play CSS With Out Getting Pee'd Because Of All The Suspects
Ya atm , css is still a joke . It's cool on a server with lots of admins but there are some other servers that are just cheat ridden.
On the only public server i play on , i know all the msn's of the admin server and i demo'ed and caught 6 cheaters...
I'm know sure does valve like hackcam or not, from what i heard rumours suggest that hackcam will be included in vac2.
But if you post the word hackcam on the steam forums, the thread is closed
Maybe valve are trying to keep a secret , well atleast i hope that is the reason.
On the only public server i play on , i know all the msn's of the admin server and i demo'ed and caught 6 cheaters...
I'm know sure does valve like hackcam or not, from what i heard rumours suggest that hackcam will be included in vac2.
But if you post the word hackcam on the steam forums, the thread is closed
Maybe valve are trying to keep a secret , well atleast i hope that is the reason.
Only time will tell.
QUOTE(psycroptic @ 12 May 2005, 04:31 AM)
Only time will tell.
Well put it this way, it isn't detected as a cheat, it works extremely well, is points based, all it needs is an auto kick and ban for busted cheaters, and a streaming repository type service, and for it to be ported to other game engines, then where would the cheats be
To revive an old thread:
I'm hopeful.
QUOTE
Azonacun Productions and it's product(s) have been purchased by it's financial benefactors, effective July 1, 2006. In accordance with the rules of the contracts issued between the parties, this website is being temporarily disabled while products are being prepared for shipment. Interruption to support for current products will occur, but it is our hopes to make this interruption as short as possible while this transition is in progress.
I'm hopeful.
OPB, to be honest I did not look at a single link, and missed the original post of this, but please let me know if this happens and moves to q3 and/or q4 
Why did I not look at the links? Call me a pessimist-- or better yet, an optimist that has had his hopes crushed once too often, lol.
Why did I not look at the links? Call me a pessimist-- or better yet, an optimist that has had his hopes crushed once too often, lol.
LOL, I know of what you speak!
TBH I don't know if it will ever hit Q3 or Q4. I believe I read in the forums there that DOD may be the next game it goes to. On the bright side the developer did say there was no reason it couldn't be adapted to any FPS, well probably one reason..... money. I'm hopefull gnat.
TBH I don't know if it will ever hit Q3 or Q4. I believe I read in the forums there that DOD may be the next game it goes to. On the bright side the developer did say there was no reason it couldn't be adapted to any FPS, well probably one reason..... money. I'm hopefull gnat.
I forgot all about this.... did it ever come out of closed beta????
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